30 for 30: Once Upon a Time In Queens - IGT

therapist

Out on parole
Just an insane amount of great production in this though. The music, interviews with the correct corresponding footage and packaging of everything. Makes everything else seemed phoned in. Whenever I see something like this I ask did it need to be made? And in this case a resounding yes.
 

AllWrightNow

Refugee
The Scioscia homer killed. Later in that game in the 11th, after Gibson had homered to give the dodgers the lead, the Mets loaded the bases with 1 out and had Straw and McReynolds up.....Straw hit an infield pop up and then Lasorda brought in Hershiser to pitch to McReynolds and he almost blooped in the game winning single but the ball hung up just long enough to catch......Just a nightmare loss on every level
And OROSCO was the lefty specialist that got Darryl out too
 

SodaPopinski

Refugee
just finished it and loved it

i was 4 years old in '86 and watching my mom jump on the bandwagon that year is what made me a fan, for better or worse

i watched the "A Season to Remember" VHS like 100 times as a kid, and like all mets fans I've absorbed pretty much everything about that team over the last 36 years...but there is one aspect of the '86 mets that i have truly never ever understood, and that is Raphael Santana

I get that his numbers seem to indicate that he was a pretty unremarkable player, but for a guy who started 139 games in '86, there does not seem to be a single highlight or even mere mention of him in any documentary that has been done on this team. its almost as if he never existed.
 

METS LEGIONS

It’s good to be the fantasy drama queen
just finished it and loved it

i was 4 years old in '86 and watching my mom jump on the bandwagon that year is what made me a fan, for better or worse

i watched the "A Season to Remember" VHS like 100 times as a kid, and like all mets fans I've absorbed pretty much everything about that team over the last 36 years...but there is one aspect of the '86 mets that i have truly never ever understood, and that is Raphael Santana

I get that his numbers seem to indicate that he was a pretty unremarkable player, but for a guy who started 139 games in '86, there does not seem to be a single highlight or even mere mention of him in any documentary that has been done on this team. its almost as if he never existed.
Santana was the supplier:confused::)) just doc didn't know.

This is true Santana not highlighted in anything dude was super low profile plus I think he only spoke spanish and conversed with orosco and keith since they only spanish speaking guys on team and both where hard partiers
 

therapist

Out on parole
They also didn’t mention how they gave George foster a ring and 3/4 of his championship bonus… but it was bc he was blaq
 
Anyone UK based know how I can watch this? VPN no good as you’ve got to sign-up for espn+ using a US address/payment card.

Cheers.
 

SodaPopinski

Refugee
it sucks that buckner had just passed when this was made. he would have 100% done the interview and would have done a great job of sharing his perspective

i was shocked to see schiraldi so involved. dude looks like the man these days
 

DennisCook

Refugee
Think that clip would reinforce the idea that Buckner lost the series, when there's been the effort to (rightfully) draw attention away from that play.
 

dptydwg420

Not to be confused with BlazeKing420
Moderator
How that whole inning unfolded was just weird and magical. the manager being a moron #1!
 

Funky Boobster

Still Strokes His Mom's Pussy
How that whole inning unfolded was just weird and magical. the manager being a moron #1!
One could argue that McNamara single handedly lost that series. Pulling Clemens (don’t care if he did ask out of the game), and allowing Buckner to play the field. It’s like the guy had money on the Mets to win.
 

dptydwg420

Not to be confused with BlazeKing420
Moderator
he also had ample opportunity to bring in some defenders when the game got tighter. its not like we hit a 3 run bomb

he really dug in. thank you!
 

dptydwg420

Not to be confused with BlazeKing420
Moderator
I feel bad for Buckner. lot of people do i'm sure. he had no business being in that spot
watching the replays my heart hurts for him (a little)
 

Funky Boobster

Still Strokes His Mom's Pussy
Buckner was a border line HOFer. He didn’t deserve to be put in such a compromising position. I’m sure he absolutely wanted to be in there. No doubt. But that was about as worse case scenario as you can get and his extremely limited range cost him and the team. A lot of scum bags in Boston hurt that man for a long time after that series. And he still wound up forgiving them decades later. Now that’s a good dude.
 

Knight Ray

Refugee
Buckner was a border line HOFer. He didn’t deserve to be put in such a compromising position. I’m sure he absolutely wanted to be in there. No doubt. But that was about as worse case scenario as you can get and his extremely limited range cost him and the team. A lot of scum bags in Boston hurt that man for a long time after that series. And he still wound up forgiving them decades later. Now that’s a good dude.
Yeah, scum bags. It ws painful to see. It took some time for him to come around but he did. I was happy for him
 

JPSchmack

HOF'er Who Needs To Retire
Administrator
Plus, Bob Stanley just threw him under the bus.

Like, game was tied on your wild pitch, ass-hat. Buckner's error didn't lose the game. With our bench and pen, once Stanley threw it to the backstop, the game was over.
 

JPSchmack

HOF'er Who Needs To Retire
Administrator
Buckner was a border line HOFer. He didn’t deserve to be put in such a compromising position. I’m sure he absolutely wanted to be in there. No doubt. But that was about as worse case scenario as you can get and his extremely limited range cost him and the team. A lot of scum bags in Boston hurt that man for a long time after that series. And he still wound up forgiving them decades later. Now that’s a good dude.
I'm not sure if it's still true, but for a long time, Buckner had more hits than anyone eligible but not inducted into the HOF. (I said eligible, you bowl-cut humping Rose lovers).
 
I've always thought that even if Buckner fields the ball cleanly that Mookie Wilson probably beats him to the bag. Was the pitcher going to get there in time for a toss? Doubtful.
 

SnoopRonnyRon

Registered User
Plus, Bob Stanley just threw him under the bus.

Like, game was tied on your wild pitch, ass-hat. Buckner's error didn't lose the game. With our bench and pen, once Stanley threw it to the backstop, the game was over.
I agree with this a million percent. I always said it was dumb to place the blame on Buckner. The game was tied thanks to the wild pitch. Mookie even said once the wild pitch happened he was relaxed, because to quote every Met batter who reached base that inning, he "wasn't going to make the last fucking out of the World Series." I also fall in the Mookie would have beaten Buckner to the bag camp. The managerial decisions and the wild pitch screwed the Red Sox, not Buckner.
 

JPSchmack

HOF'er Who Needs To Retire
Administrator
It would be awesome if they could go back to every piece of footage from that play, and every piece of footage they can find from 1986 with Mookie running out a possible infield, and Stanley doing a PFP.... and reverse engineer StatCast it. Mookie's average time to first base, Stanley's average time to first. Where they were relative to that pace on the Buckner ball, and see if Bob Stanley could beat Mookie to first.

That would be possible math. Buckner vs Mookie, maybe you could try the same, but doubtful you can get an average of Buckner's time to 1B from THAT SPOT at a large sample size.
 
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